Pre-ban Cathinones. Unable to replicate. [bounty!]

[TheVacuumGuy]

Before i start:

@mocnykutas, @oxoxoxo @$!$], and the other associated accounts he's using to helpign no-one. instead : "how made is easy on poland no lab equipment big scale 3 hours" please STFU in this thread. find another one to bother!

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I still have some pre-ban stuff here (bought couple of k's last day before ban.

After all these years (around 4,5 or so, they still outperform anyhting 3/4 mmc on the market currently, in any possible way.

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I head to use IMGUR because the second image already crashed ("we run into problems") tried resizing to to 256px but same story. hopefully Heissi (@HEISENBERG) can lower the rate limiter a bit, and enable 3 letter searches as well, which is a big miss since almost all solvents, substances etc are 3-character
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https://imgur.com/zAxPvie

I've not seen anyone here yielding this stuff, or seen it around in "the scene" in the Netherlands.

Take a very good look (structure, fullness etc )

https://imgur.com/pqDXvYS

Oh man, gorgious

https://imgur.com/0l2ghjE

and again

https://imgur.com/3CuE8Vz

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Now the "fun" part
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This is about what i get (on a lucky day)

https://imgur.com/ropYLCl

Well, they're nice. and i'm happy that i learned this stuff and got some help from you guys, and now finally can produce something

https://imgur.com/HliO75A

Another one

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The following one is the closest i got (don't now how, some mistakes, and things went wrong but it was a lucky day).
(except for the fact that is does NOTHING. It could probably reuse it as bromoketone

https://imgur.com/dwPWkk9

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What was different about the stuff back then ( i believe when the chinese made it, and sometimes you got some stuff that tasted like cat piss, but EVEN the cat piss stuff worked better than anything today.

i've read somewhere about some enantiomer, isomers, racemic whatever (or so),
or they used different solvents, and/or uses ammonia... the most wild stories come accross ).

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Who knows something ?
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Challenge

My aim is to make that pre-ban stuff. Apparently there are some missing links, information hidden, or not shared (on purpose)


THE ONE THAT KNOWS HOW, AND SHARED ME THE DESCRIPTION (negotiatable), AND IS IN FACT REPRODUCABLE IS AWARDED 1250 EURO

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

If you determine the formula of this substance, then developing a synthesis will not be a problem. You can send a sample to the laboratory for analysis

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

HIGGS himself! Thanks for your prompt reply

Yes, but the laboratory here checks only for "presence of. " Which I can do myself as well having all common most test reagens. There is no lab here where I can just say yo can you analyze it for me and send send me outcome. Even forensics here can't do that. They can't even detect it in car accidents

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Can you send a sample to Spain?

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Sure no problem

 

[OttoBulletproof]

I can't really give you an answer i'm just guessing it's probably just the same 3-mmc no fancy isomer separation or something like that. It probably has to do with the way it was synthesized and the way it was washed or recrystallized. Maybe some of the old stuff also oxidized which gave it another texture. Are you from EU btw?

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Thanks. It has not changed texture.
Moreover, bags are vacuum sealed.

Yes, that is my question


For your other question: read between the pictures

 

[Morda]

Well to what has been known, Dragon Eric(yes the one who “turned scammer later” /long story apparently accounts were taken over bla bla bla…) and other major China supplier, never did supply pure 4mmc it was a mixture.

I remember reading a post on different hive, where Eric apparently accidentally (or intentionally) shared some informations which were swiftly deleted. Stating proportions of 70/20/10 and 80/20. Since then it was just an ongoing debate regarding this subject. I can’t remember out of my head what was it exactly. I can try searching for the old conversation if that’s going to help anyone.

if anyone remembers they used to sell verity’s of Eric1 Eric2 Eric3 “same” but slightly different.

also apparently “Eric formula” was posted on sale at very steep price few years back not sure if it was real or just another scammer.

 

[mefistofeles]

i have also seen someone say that 4mmc from china wasn't pure, alegedly it was mixed with 3mmc, however i have no source to support that.

but it would check out if now nothing can beat chinese mephedrone, i'm no chemist but what is so different now than before?

you can make a super high quality product now just like you could before, i guess

 

[AnonymouZ_Pickzel]

This is identical to the 'red and black' meth in USA. 90's shit was crazier than anything today, makes a hell of a difference

 

[hotdogfrenchfries]

So, have you gotten this analyzed? Maybe try Kykeon Analytics?

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Brilliant. thanks

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Sent for f+q

 

[loadingST]

Oldcool 4MMC is mixture of 3/4MMC but actually i find people preffer 3MMC because people want more of stimulation feel than the speedy calm effects of pure meph, also i see some people look for teacher im an ex chemist with lots of experience if anyone is intrested can PM me

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Advert.

 

[mefistofeles]

i have also seen this info somewhere but isn't the 3mmc the more speedy one? 4mmc has a lot more stimulation while not being speedy

 

[loadingST]

3mmc is more like meth while 4mmc is more like mdma

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

3-mmc is cleaning up your house with a smile and horny as *****

 

[MarzipanDreams]

Yea, its not just a theory, its proven when doing acetylation of toulene with propionic chloride the resulting ketone mixture is 80-90% 4MPF and the other is 3MPF, if not purified to divide the enantiomers and used as is the resulting mephedrone is a mix of isomers

 

[loadingST]

Yea, its not just a theory, its proven when doing acetylation of toulene with propionic chloride the resulting ketone mixture is 80-90% 4MPF and the other is 3MPF, if not purified to divide the enantiomers and used as is the resulting mephedrone is a mix of isomers

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Lab result


@HIGGS BOSSON

 

[HEISENBERG]

The synthesis of 3MMC is similar to that of 4MMC, only the starting product is substituted. Have you tried 4MMC? I think there is no point in making 3MMC when you can make 4MMC immediately.

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

Thanks for your answer.
Yep. Made both. But due to availability issues of 2b3m currently making 4mmc.

However, its not coming even close to above product.

 

[leopard12]

I can´t see the pictures,anybody else has that problem?

 

[TheVacuumGuy]

@leopard12 Nope. Should be visible (using clearnet version https://bbgate.com
I thought posting a screenshot of what you should see, but well.... You wouldn't see it.

Please try and see whether you can see one of them using direct url: https://bbgate.com/attachments/kx4yyoup0a-jpg.41187/